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Related Buffy/Faith Theories & Subtextual Musings

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Here is a theory written by Mircalla:

Okay, it goes like this. Faith was introduced in Faith, Hope, and Trick. We were talking on Nihilist Night at the Bronze about how Buffy has hope, and that's what keeps her going. And I was thinking about the possible significance of the character Scott "Hope". How he used to follow Buffy around, and eventually abandoned her in Homecoming, because she had "lost her spark", and what it could possibly mean...had she lost hope? And how Faith stood up for her at the dance. Well. I came up with an idea. Perhaps the hope that Scott represented was the false hope that Buffy could have a "normal" life, with a "mundane" boyfriend, school dances, yadda...the things most teens have. And maybe, just maybe, in Homecoming, she finally lost that hope. (Look at where her attempt to attend the dance put her). And, on another level, perhaps even the "hope" that she is making a difference, in the larger scheme of things, as a Slayer, is unfounded. After all, Slayers and Watchers have been battling big evil things from time immemorial. Perhaps, ultimately, evil will prevail. Perhaps she's just staving off the inevitable. Or perhaps good and evil are fated to battle each other forever...there will never be a resolution. In any event, it's highly unlikely that Buffy will see a resolution in her lifetime...she will fight the fight for her own personal "forever", and will never know if her side is ultimately successful. So maybe what Buffy has, or has to get, is faith. Faith, defined in my trusty Websters, is "unquestioning belief that doesn't require proof or evidence". In order to go on, Buffy needs to believe, even though she may never have proof, that what's she's doing is ultimately worthwhile. Thus the introduction of Hope and Faith...Faith wins out. It/She is something Buffy needs. And check this The Wish, Giles displays faith at its best...when Anya says: "How do you know the other world is better than this one?" Giles replies: "It has to be." So, it is significant that Giles is the Watcher of Faith, because, in a way, he is the guardian of Buffy's faith that someday things have to be better than they are now...there must be a purpose to what they do. (So, in a way, Faith was present in that The Wish). Anyway. That's what I've got so far.

Subtext from Faith Hope & Trick written by Cirrus New Faith, Hope, and Trick subtext:
- Notice how when Faith mentioned getting hungry and horny, the Scoobs all looked encouragingly at Buffy?
- Faith's comment, 'Something in your bottle needs uncorking.' Perhaps Buffy's true lesbian nature?
- Faith encouragement to 'deal and move on' from Angel. Translates:
'Stop thinking about Angel and screw me already!' =)And a theory:
You notice that Buffy only seemed really interested in Scott Hope AFTER Faith was flirting with him? She figured the best way to keep Scott away from Faith (thus keeping her free for Buffy) was to date him herself.

The following is Horizon's Faith/Cordy theory: Cordy/Faith --

Don’t try and deny that you all haven’t seen the heat and passion between these two in their limited scenes together. Allow me to publicly show you what we all know to be true. Lets look at the very first time we see Faith. And who was it that first notices her? Cordy. "Check out Slut-o-Rama and her Disco Dave". To quote the inspiration for the both of them, Larry, "It must have been because I recognized something in you that I didn’t want to see in myself". Cordy is obviously drawn to Faith right away but understandably tries to deny her feelings by passing off another Cordy-ism.

The next meaningful interaction between them is when the Scooby Gang is talking to Faith in the Bronze. Faith mentions how slaying always makes you hungry and horny to which Cordy emphatically responds "I get it!". Cordy was unable to control her urges one minute longer but managed to regain her composure long enough to pass off her outburst as a response to something else. But we know differently.

In this same scene we have perhaps the strongest clue as to Faith and Cordy’s lust for one another. It occurs while Faith is telling her multiple stories of vampire slaying and nudity. When Xander asks Faith if she was nude while rasslin’ the alligator to which Faith replies "Well, the alligator was", Cordy says "Xander, find a new theme". But it is easy to misinterpret why Cordy said this. She was not upset with Xander for asking the question, in fact I’m certain that it was a burning question on her mind as well, but Cordy was obviously frustrated because now they had gotten off the topic of Faith nudity and onto alligator nudity…which doesn’t hold the same interest for her. But be certain that Faith new exactly what Cordy was inferring.

The next example we have of Cordy lustage of Faith is when she catches Xander admiring Faith and says, "What’s up with you and Slayers? Maybe I should dress up as one and put a stake to your throat". In actuality, Cordy is accomplishing two things with this statement. She is effectively threatening Xander to stay away from her woman and also secretly fantasizing about being more like Faith. She wants to be one with Faith…a theme that will be realized to both of their pleasures in Homecoming.

In Homecoming, we have the most blatant example of Faith and Cordy finally becoming one with each other. Cordy literally and symbolically takes the place of Faith in the limo and subsequently risks her life so that her beloved Faith is safe. This all comes to a sweaty boil in the log cabin. Sure Cordy tries to hide her pleasure in taking Faith’s place by constantly bothering Buffy. But in actuality, Cordy is only cursing her fate that she couldn’t be trapped in a log cabin with Faith and a nice fire and a bottle of red wine instead of Buffy. One of Cordy’s lines is especially telling. Buffy says, "Welcome to my life" to which Cordy replies, "I don’t wanna be in your life". The obvious inference here is that Cordy wants to be in Faith’s life. And in protecting Buffy from Lyle Gorch in the finale scene, Cordy is finally able to fulfill her fantasy of truly being Faith by acting in the same capacity that Faith would if she were present. I think we all remember the look of quiet satisfaction on her face.

I believe that Angelus put it best that Faith and Cordy should "just give in" to their passions and not deny themselves what they know is right.

B/F subtext in "The Wish"

Masquerade: Spoilerishness--in this Bizarroworld, Faith has not been called. Well, she may be eventually. But the Buffster dies without ever meeting her REAL soulmate. She has thrown herself into her slayer duties with a gusto and bitterness she can't explain. She didn't have that oh, little Angel distraction that kept her busy in our Buffyverse. But she unconsciously took on the characteristics of her soul mate. We can only hope that Kendra dies quickly in the bizarroworld and Faith does too so they will be united in the next life. Oh, but Blueronin I think says it's not an alternative universe, so all is back to normal then. Faith and Buffy are together and heh did you see how Buffy suggests they need to get closer to Faith at the beginning? No subtext there, wink wink. Except her need to hide her true reasons for the invite to X and W.

B/F subtext in "The Zeppo."

Ms. Alucard: This ep just reinforces my Love for Faith! The way she just used Xander and then kicked him to the curb (almost literally) when she was finished! LMAO! I LOVED it! When I saw the preview, I was worried that they were headed for some kind of relationship, and I thought that was so un-Faith-like. But this just rocked! I'm actually thinking "Good for Xander!" Who better to have your first time with than Faith? This also kind of fits into the Buffy/Faith subtext. She was so worked up, she knew she couldn't have Buffy, so she grabbed one of the closest people to Buff, knowing that it would get back to her and make for a little jealousy.

Woman Warrior: I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but the demon that Faith was fighting just before Xander picked Faith up was female. Faith tells Xander: "That bitch dislocated my shoulder." and "She got me really wound up" Hmmmm...wound up, indeed! I just think that Xander was caught in the cross fire of a non-slay. Who knows what would've happened if Buffy showed up or for that matter - Willow;) Personally, I took the demon foreplay as a shout out to Buffy/Faith in '99

B/F subtext in "Bad Girls" and "Consequences"
DeadStillPretty on “Bad Girls/Consequences”
Hey hon! You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to try to muster up the energy to type up a long B/F subtext thing for "Bad Girls"/"Consequences" but I will do some quick thoughts in response to yours. Yeah, as you noted, definite B/F angst, esp. when Faith compares herself to Angel (saying to the Buffster, hey you hid & deceived for Angel, but not for me). Also, the blatant parallels between Faith & Angel being drawn on the show. In fact, you could read BG/Consequences as a mini-parallel storyline to the Buffy & Angel fall in love, get pelvic, A goes evil, B is tortured & doesn't know what to do, finally has to "kill" him, then wants to help save his soul upon his return, etc. storyline. Buffy/Faith version: Faith brings out the wild side to Buffy, they romp, they bond, they slay, Buffy is smitten, talking about it to the gang, Faith woos her in Chem class, they slay, they dance, etc. Then Faith goes evil with the killing of whatshisname, Allan (?). Remember the whole Allan likes "Cathy" comic strip confession early in Bad Girls? I saw it as code for "effeminate": the stereotypical signifier for homosexuality. The death of Allan could be read as the death of any possible Buffy/Faith ship. Plus the way Buffy described herself as feeling "dirty" this ep when discussing Allan killage can be read as double entendre: certainly the textual guilt of being involved in the taking of a human life, but also the guilt of the B/F subtextship. Now Faith her other beloved has gone somewhat evil (don't buy that she is abosolute evil like Angelus -- she seems like an interesting mix, there's a real war raging within her) and Buffy is facing some conflicts with gang over whether to help her or let her rot/kill her (similar to the debate earlier this season over whether Buffy should kill Angel upon his return or help him).

>From the Buffy/Faith standpoint, these two eps can be seen as an (ultimately failed) attempt on the part of Faith to seduce Buffy, in every sense of the term. To lure Buffy into Faith's world. To separate B. from her friends, so that Faith can have Buffy all to herself. (Faith is the possessive type). To intoxicate Buffy with the power of Slaying, which she sometimes describes in quasi-sexual terms. Sex and slaying are closely linked in Faith's mind...she gets the same sort of high from both, in her mind, slaying with Buffy is almost the same as sharing a sexual activity with her. And look at who she sleeps with: Xander. As others have pointed out, this was a way of getting closer to Buffy...he's one of Buffy's "people". And Buffy was getting hooked. Look at the dance scene...she was digging it. She threw herself at Angel because she had all these pent-up sexual feelings, and wasn't ready to direct them at the proper object: Faith. Angel was a substitute, like Xander was a substitute for Buffy with Faith. (Interesting that they would choose these two, given the Xander/Angel subtext *g*). Buffy's heartbrokeness over Faith's reaction to the death of Alan wasn't just because she was worried about was because she was starting to give into her true feelings about Faith, and the murder came between them. And she's heartbroken, too, that someone she had been so intimate with could be so callous. And look at the final scene. Imagine it this way: "You're just like me, you just don't want to admit it." Maybe what Faith is really saying is: you want me too. Buffy isn't ready to deal with it yet. She's shocked and confused by her own feelings for Faith. She still wants to deny them. But she can feel them bubbling up to the surface, and it scares the heck out of her. And the fact that Buffy rejected her is what finally put Faith over the edge and sent her to Buffy's worst enemy. She saved Buffy's live, because she cares too much to let Buffy die, but she also wants to hurt Buffy. And, of course, this keeps her in town, where she can be near Buffy. She can't let go.

Enemies subtext by Masquerade

What is happening between Buffy and Faith parallels so closely what happened between Buffy and Angel(us) last season. A lot of people on the board commented how Faith's smootchie on Buffy was a "Judas kiss", but it reminded me of the scene in Innocence in the school hallway when Angelus kisses Buffy and then shoves her away. Kind of a mocking version of earlier sincere affection. Buffy must once again worry if her beloved can be redeemed from evil or if she will have to kill her (him).

Looking at the rest of the third season through the perspective of Enemies, we see that Faith has always admired Buffy, wanted to be Buffy, and wanted Buffy to like her more than anything. Their's has bee a rocky road, our two slayers, but hopefully by the end the season Buffy will get through to Faith and save her from evil's clutches. Faith's just resentful and jealous right now, and when you're in such a state of mind, you always hurt the one you love the most

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